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1 Who constitutes the church? Note Eph 4:3 Val Wed 07/23/08, 9:35pm
  Thank you Doc. That helps a lot. I have a lot of reading to do. I appreciate it. Blessings, Val
2 Who constitutes the church? Note Eph 4:3 DocTrinsograce Wed 07/23/08, 9:28pm
  Hi, Val...

If you are interested in SBC churches that hold a high view of scripture, you might try checking here:

http://www.founders.org/misc/chlist/

Monergism is the doctrine that the new birth both precedes and elicits faith in Christ in those on whom the Holy Spirit sovereignly determines to dispense His grace (John 1:13; 6:63-65; Acts 16:14b; 1 John 5:1). When preached in the power of the Holy Spirit, the gospel has the power to open blind eyes and unstop deaf ears. Those dead in sin play no part in their own new birth. Man does not cooperate in his regeneration but, rather, infallibly responds in faith as the Holy Spirit changes his hearts' disposition. Faith is not something produced by man's unregenerated human nature. The fallen sinner has no moral ability or inclination to believe prior to the new birth. Instead, the Holy Spirit must open his ears to the preaching of the gospel if a man is to hear. While there is no temporal sequence, regeneration gives rise to all other aspects of salvation. They happen simultaneously like the turning on of a light, which includes the cause of faith, justification, sanctification, new affections, etc.

Synergism is the doctrine that faith precedes and gives rise to regeneration. Man cooperates with God in regeneration. Faith is produced by man's unregenerated human nature. The fallen sinner has the ability and potential inclination to believe even prior to the new birth. While the doctrine admits that grace plays a role in salvation yet it denies that salvation is by grace alone -- rather, it is grace plus man's response which causes the new birth.

Moral perfectionism (see post #201760), is a teaching that sinlessness is an achievable goal of any believer in this lifetime.

In Him, Doc
3 Who constitutes the church? Note Eph 4:3 Immanuelsown Wed 07/23/08, 9:13pm
  DocTrinsograce,
I appreciate the input, I found the same type of verse, Matt.13:30 although your verses, and mine, make it sound like we, were sown into a field of Tares, instead of the other way around.
However Eph. 4:11-16 Sounds more like a body that can be seen, powerful, vibrant the body isn't supposed to be invisible is it? Universal Church yes, in today's terms though, that only means Global. We as the Body of Christ are to be more than that, we are to be a light to a dark world. Luke 11:33, Matt. 5:14. We are to be in Unity as Christ, and the Father are. Jon. 17:21-23. The reason for all this, is so the Jews will be provoked to Jealousy, it's not all about us, being gathered from all the denominations of the world, it's how do we as the Body of Christ, become a witness to the Jews. Rom.10:19, Deut.32:21, Rom.11:11,12
How can this be accomplished, if we are Invisible. There isn't anything of the Church as it stands today, the Jews want any part of. They look at us as we are, Divided
In Him Imm

4 Who constitutes the church? Note Eph 4:3 Val Wed 07/23/08, 9:02pm
  I am a Southern Baptist. My mother and I attended Missionary Baptist since birth, although the description I have read in some places really does not fit the description of our church. We have always been in the SBC. After mother passed away, after years being out of church I returned to Southern Baptist church. That church split, started a new church (not me) but with them and it grew to about 450 members. Got tired of the fights over the music and use of hymnals or music on screens. Went to a church close to my home, band and all. Got to where the music was hurting my ears so we find ourselves at a closeby Nazarene church. I read their statement of faith but hard for me to figure out if I could stay there. Just trying it out. When your born and breed Southern Baptist its hard to go somewhere else. What is synergistic soteriology? Personal perfectionism - I try to obey Christ, is that sufficient? As I said all the churches in my area are in upheaval - I am sure you read about the Jerry Sutton saga. Its hard to find a good fit. We are comfortable at the Nazarene church but are not involved, wanted to find out if we will stay first. I would appreciate your prayers. Blessings Val
5 Who constitutes the church? Note Eph 4:3 Val Wed 07/23/08, 8:57pm
  I am a Southern Baptist. My mother and I attended Missionary Baptist since birth, although the description I have read in some places really does not fit the description of our church. We have always been in the SBC. After mother passed away, after years being out of church I returned to Southern Baptist church. That church split, started a new church (not me) but with them and it grew to about 450 members. Got tired of the fights over the music and use of hymnals or music on screens. Went to a church close to my home, band and all. Got to where the music was hurting my ears so we find ourselves at a closeby Nazarene church. I read their statement of faith but hard for me to figure out if I could stay there. Just trying it out. When your born and breed Southern Baptist its hard to go somewhere else. What is synergistic soteriology? Personal perfectionism - I try to obey Christ, is that sufficient? As I said all the churches in my area are in upheaval - I am sure you read about the Jerry Sutton saga. Its hard to find a good fit. We are comfortable at the Nazarene church but are not involved, wanted to find out if we will stay first. I would appreciate your prayers. Blessings Val
6 Who constitutes the church? Note Eph 4:3 lionheart Wed 07/23/08, 8:53pm
  Val,
Very weak attempt at humor on my part sis.

In Him,
lionheart
7 Who constitutes the church? Note Eph 4:3 Val Wed 07/23/08, 8:40pm
  :-) Thats funny. I know you have worked hard and probably still do. Thank you, Lionheart, Blessings, Val

8 jesus second coming Answer 1 Thess 4:16 DocTrinsograce Wed 07/23/08, 8:14pm
  Hi, Johnsonl2...

Welcome to the forum!

The resurrection is discussed in Revelation 20.

In Him, Doc
9 Do you know a way to get into the Bible? Note Heb 8:10 Atomos Wed 07/23/08, 7:18pm
  Californiasurfin –
You question is the same as so many others. I will attempt to answer you question in two parts.
First of all, the Bible is The Written Word, with prayer the Bible is our best connection to God. But the Bible is a book, as just as with any book you needs to find ways to engage in the stories. Try listening to the Bible on tapes, reading out load, finding friends to study with. If you are anything like me, my mind races at a hundred miles an hour, so I have to do tricks to concentrate on the Word.
Secondly, the reading the Bible is work. So just like marriage or a job, you need to do some work in order to keep the relationship strong or get a paycheck. Try to keep a daily routine and separate yourself from too many distractions when engaged in your time with God.
Atomos
10 Who constitutes the church? Note Eph 4:3 DocTrinsograce Wed 07/23/08, 7:09pm
  Dear Val,

Reciting the Lord's prayer has to do with practice. The salvific security of the believer has to do with doctrine, specifically relating to God's sovereignty and grace, as well as the nature of salvation.

The Church of the Nazarene, has its roots in the Holiness movement, which had roots in the Wesleyan tradition, which had roots in Arminianism, which had roots in Semi-Pelegianism. Perhaps my experience is limited, but I've never found any of them to be very big on maintaining their historic, theological roots. Still, they hold pretty tenaciously to a synergistic soteriology and to a teaching of personal perfectionism. Beyond that, they appear to be about as "across the board" as many of my fellow Southern Baptists. They have a statement of faith of sorts, though, so you can read what they say of their doctrinal position:

http://www.nazarene.org/ministries/gensec/ArticlesofFaith/display.aspx

I would agree that the issues you mention do, indeed, fall into the category of essential doctrines.

What you will want to do is find a church body to which you are able to commit yourself from a faith and practice standpoint, and one which will commit themselves to your growth in Christ-likeness. Of course, it helps when the church actually states what they believe, and it helps if the prospective member actually understands the issues. :-)

At any rate, church membership is an extremely important question for anyone who seeks to be a disciple of Christ. (Indeed, there are some aspects of obedience that are impossible without a local congregation!) Therefore, we will be praying for you in your search for a congregation that holds firmly to the essential doctrines of Christian orthodoxy, and applies them in a consistently God exalting fashion.

In Him, Doc
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